I got an email from somebody today that said they bought
an HP PSC 1350 Printer and saw my San Diego Sails Letterbox
stamp in the Photo and Imaging Gallery of the software
provided with the printer. He sent me a copy of the
image and it is indeed my stamp. Now how or why could
this happen! The image is available on my web site since
that box is missing and I turned it into an online box, so
anybody could download it, but why would HP do it and
then publish it? I don't know whether to be flattered
or upset that my stamp is now on display to anyone buying
that printer (or maybe any HP printer).
I wonder if somebody at HP is a letterboxer and decided to
include that stamp in the Gallery?
Silver Eagle
A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
11 messages in this thread |
Started on 2004-01-09
A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
From: Silver Eagle (sileagle@alltel.net) |
Date: 2004-01-09 03:08:13 UTC
Re: A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
From: catbead1 (libby@twcny.rr.com) |
Date: 2004-01-09 04:11:04 UTC
Well, I'd say you're entitled to be paid. Taking the image you
created and using it for profit without permission or giving proper
credit is wrong, not to mention illegal. If you want to be nice about
it the very least they should do is give you the credit for your
artwork. But you really should get something for its use. It is
being used as an illustration and illustrators make lots of money. :-)
catbead
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
wrote:
> I got an email from somebody today that said they bought
> an HP PSC 1350 Printer and saw my San Diego Sails Letterbox
> stamp in the Photo and Imaging Gallery of the software
> provided with the printer. He sent me a copy of the
> image and it is indeed my stamp. Now how or why could
> this happen! The image is available on my web site since
> that box is missing and I turned it into an online box, so
> anybody could download it, but why would HP do it and
> then publish it? I don't know whether to be flattered
> or upset that my stamp is now on display to anyone buying
> that printer (or maybe any HP printer).
> I wonder if somebody at HP is a letterboxer and decided to
> include that stamp in the Gallery?
>
> Silver Eagle
created and using it for profit without permission or giving proper
credit is wrong, not to mention illegal. If you want to be nice about
it the very least they should do is give you the credit for your
artwork. But you really should get something for its use. It is
being used as an illustration and illustrators make lots of money. :-)
catbead
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
wrote:
> I got an email from somebody today that said they bought
> an HP PSC 1350 Printer and saw my San Diego Sails Letterbox
> stamp in the Photo and Imaging Gallery of the software
> provided with the printer. He sent me a copy of the
> image and it is indeed my stamp. Now how or why could
> this happen! The image is available on my web site since
> that box is missing and I turned it into an online box, so
> anybody could download it, but why would HP do it and
> then publish it? I don't know whether to be flattered
> or upset that my stamp is now on display to anyone buying
> that printer (or maybe any HP printer).
> I wonder if somebody at HP is a letterboxer and decided to
> include that stamp in the Gallery?
>
> Silver Eagle
Re: A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
From: zed_boxing (szorzi_1999@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-01-09 04:23:21 UTC
Silver Eagle - hire an attorney at once and have him write HP
demanding royalties for use of your image.
I am not a lawyer, but I think your copyright has been violated.
Zed in Louisiana
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
wrote:
> I got an email from somebody today that said they bought
> an HP PSC 1350 Printer and saw my San Diego Sails Letterbox
> stamp in the Photo and Imaging Gallery of the software
> provided with the printer.
demanding royalties for use of your image.
I am not a lawyer, but I think your copyright has been violated.
Zed in Louisiana
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
wrote:
> I got an email from somebody today that said they bought
> an HP PSC 1350 Printer and saw my San Diego Sails Letterbox
> stamp in the Photo and Imaging Gallery of the software
> provided with the printer.
Re: A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
From: catbead1 (libby@twcny.rr.com) |
Date: 2004-01-09 04:52:12 UTC
Each state has lawyer's who will represent artist's for free or will
charge very little. Even will give advice over the phone.
catbead
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "zed_boxing"
wrote:
> Silver Eagle - hire an attorney at once and have him write HP
> demanding royalties for use of your image.
>
> I am not a lawyer, but I think your copyright has been violated.
>
> Zed in Louisiana
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
> wrote:
> > I got an email from somebody today that said they bought
> > an HP PSC 1350 Printer and saw my San Diego Sails Letterbox
> > stamp in the Photo and Imaging Gallery of the software
> > provided with the printer.
charge very little. Even will give advice over the phone.
catbead
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "zed_boxing"
wrote:
> Silver Eagle - hire an attorney at once and have him write HP
> demanding royalties for use of your image.
>
> I am not a lawyer, but I think your copyright has been violated.
>
> Zed in Louisiana
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
> wrote:
> > I got an email from somebody today that said they bought
> > an HP PSC 1350 Printer and saw my San Diego Sails Letterbox
> > stamp in the Photo and Imaging Gallery of the software
> > provided with the printer.
Re: A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
From: lizardbuttsfamily (mmebt@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2004-01-09 07:40:35 UTC
Do you have a copyright? I think the web is open domain.
Lizardbutt's Mom
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
> wrote:
> > I got an email from somebody today that said they bought
> > an HP PSC 1350 Printer and saw my San Diego Sails Letterbox
> > stamp in the Photo and Imaging Gallery of the software
> > provided with the printer. He sent me a copy of the
> > image and it is indeed my stamp. Now how or why could
> > this happen! The image is available on my web site since
> > that box is missing and I turned it into an online box, so
> > anybody could download it, but why would HP do it and
> > then publish it? I don't know whether to be flattered
> > or upset that my stamp is now on display to anyone buying
> > that printer (or maybe any HP printer).
> > I wonder if somebody at HP is a letterboxer and decided to
> > include that stamp in the Gallery?
> >
> > Silver Eagle
Lizardbutt's Mom
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
> wrote:
> > I got an email from somebody today that said they bought
> > an HP PSC 1350 Printer and saw my San Diego Sails Letterbox
> > stamp in the Photo and Imaging Gallery of the software
> > provided with the printer. He sent me a copy of the
> > image and it is indeed my stamp. Now how or why could
> > this happen! The image is available on my web site since
> > that box is missing and I turned it into an online box, so
> > anybody could download it, but why would HP do it and
> > then publish it? I don't know whether to be flattered
> > or upset that my stamp is now on display to anyone buying
> > that printer (or maybe any HP printer).
> > I wonder if somebody at HP is a letterboxer and decided to
> > include that stamp in the Gallery?
> >
> > Silver Eagle
Re: A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
From: Bigguy (bigguy9210@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-01-09 16:50:05 UTC
Well I think I'd be flattered and let it go. You put the thing on
the Web because you wanted people to see it right? You were never
going to make a nickel off of it any way were you? They aren't going
to sell anymore printers because it's on there are they? Looks
like 'No harm - no foul' to me. Just bask in the glory of having one
of the most extensively seen pieces of stamp art in the country for a
while. Just my humble opinion.
Bigguy9210
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
wrote:
I don't know whether to be flattered
> or upset that my stamp is now on display to anyone buying
> that printer (or maybe any HP printer).
> > Silver Eagle
the Web because you wanted people to see it right? You were never
going to make a nickel off of it any way were you? They aren't going
to sell anymore printers because it's on there are they? Looks
like 'No harm - no foul' to me. Just bask in the glory of having one
of the most extensively seen pieces of stamp art in the country for a
while. Just my humble opinion.
Bigguy9210
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
wrote:
I don't know whether to be flattered
> or upset that my stamp is now on display to anyone buying
> that printer (or maybe any HP printer).
> > Silver Eagle
Re: [LbNA] A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
From: (californiabear@comcast.net) |
Date: 2004-01-09 17:42:22 UTC
Hmmm. That sounds downright illegal.
What would HP do if you started using their HP logo for marketing your products? I'm sure you would get a nice cease and desist letter from their lawyers followed by a lawsuit if you didn't. Interesting how the big companies come down on the little guy with both feet but don't mind snagging his stuff to promote themsevles...
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California Bear
What would HP do if you started using their HP logo for marketing your products? I'm sure you would get a nice cease and desist letter from their lawyers followed by a lawsuit if you didn't. Interesting how the big companies come down on the little guy with both feet but don't mind snagging his stuff to promote themsevles...
--
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California Bear
Re: [LbNA] Re: A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
From: (californiabear@comcast.net) |
Date: 2004-01-09 18:12:58 UTC
> Do you have a copyright? I think the web is open domain.
Unfortunately, that is a common myth. Posting something on the Web doesn't make it public domain material. You still retain all rights to anything that you create, much the same as publishing your work in print.
As long as the item is "an original work that has been fixed in a tangible form of expression", is has copyright protection. The fixation need not be directly perceptible so long as it may be communicated with the aid of a machine or device. (This information is from the U.S. Copyright office: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wwp .)
That being said, if you don't want someone to copy your stuff, don't put it on the Web. There is no known way to absolutely prevent an unscrupulous person from taking your images or words off the Internet.
___________________________________
California Bear
Unfortunately, that is a common myth. Posting something on the Web doesn't make it public domain material. You still retain all rights to anything that you create, much the same as publishing your work in print.
As long as the item is "an original work that has been fixed in a tangible form of expression", is has copyright protection. The fixation need not be directly perceptible so long as it may be communicated with the aid of a machine or device. (This information is from the U.S. Copyright office: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wwp .)
That being said, if you don't want someone to copy your stuff, don't put it on the Web. There is no known way to absolutely prevent an unscrupulous person from taking your images or words off the Internet.
___________________________________
California Bear
Re: A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
From: trentlaudes (trentlaudes@excite.com) |
Date: 2004-01-09 22:39:46 UTC
Well I got an HP PSC 2175 printer for Xmas, but haven't been able to
find these files. Where exactly did they find your photo; I'd like
to check to see if it's on my printer as well. They should at least
give you a free printer.
--Buzzard
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
wrote:
> I got an email from somebody today that said they bought
> an HP PSC 1350 Printer and saw my San Diego Sails Letterbox
> stamp in the Photo and Imaging Gallery of the software
> provided with the printer. He sent me a copy of the
> image and it is indeed my stamp. Now how or why could
> this happen! The image is available on my web site since
> that box is missing and I turned it into an online box, so
> anybody could download it, but why would HP do it and
> then publish it? I don't know whether to be flattered
> or upset that my stamp is now on display to anyone buying
> that printer (or maybe any HP printer).
> I wonder if somebody at HP is a letterboxer and decided to
> include that stamp in the Gallery?
>
> Silver Eagle
find these files. Where exactly did they find your photo; I'd like
to check to see if it's on my printer as well. They should at least
give you a free printer.
--Buzzard
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
wrote:
> I got an email from somebody today that said they bought
> an HP PSC 1350 Printer and saw my San Diego Sails Letterbox
> stamp in the Photo and Imaging Gallery of the software
> provided with the printer. He sent me a copy of the
> image and it is indeed my stamp. Now how or why could
> this happen! The image is available on my web site since
> that box is missing and I turned it into an online box, so
> anybody could download it, but why would HP do it and
> then publish it? I don't know whether to be flattered
> or upset that my stamp is now on display to anyone buying
> that printer (or maybe any HP printer).
> I wonder if somebody at HP is a letterboxer and decided to
> include that stamp in the Gallery?
>
> Silver Eagle
Re: [LbNA] A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
From: Just Beth (JustBeth65@msn.com) |
Date: 2004-01-10 21:25:43 UTC
I agree you should seek counsel regarding this. Think how many letterboxes
you could place with that nice royalty check each month.
~Beth
>From: californiabear@comcast.net
>Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [LbNA] A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
>Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:42:22 +0000
>
>Hmmm. That sounds downright illegal.
>
>What would HP do if you started using their HP logo for marketing your
>products? I'm sure you would get a nice cease and desist letter from their
>lawyers followed by a lawsuit if you didn't. Interesting how the big
>companies come down on the little guy with both feet but don't mind
>snagging his stuff to promote themsevles...
>
>
>
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>
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you could place with that nice royalty check each month.
~Beth
>From: californiabear@comcast.net
>Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [LbNA] A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
>Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 17:42:22 +0000
>
>Hmmm. That sounds downright illegal.
>
>What would HP do if you started using their HP logo for marketing your
>products? I'm sure you would get a nice cease and desist letter from their
>lawyers followed by a lawsuit if you didn't. Interesting how the big
>companies come down on the little guy with both feet but don't mind
>snagging his stuff to promote themsevles...
>
>
>
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Re: A Funny Thing Happened To One Of My Stamps!
From: Phyto (phyto_me@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-01-10 22:11:21 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle"
wrote:
I dare say - what an unusual story! Very disturbing that the box has
gone missing as you said. Perhaps the person that "took" the box also
"took" your stamp and idea. If it was original (ie: from a sketch)
then I would reproduce that original sketch and/or design and send a
courtesy letter to the highest official head at HP and request via
that route.
It would be a pity to think that someone went to great lengths to
reproduce your stamp in this matter for several reasons:
1) they did not contact you and ask
2) they did not give you credit for your work
3) your box and stamp are also missing (as evidence)
Perhaps in future consider not making those images available through
any www avenue. It is unfortunate that you were not given due credit
for your art. Best of luck, Phyto
wrote:
I dare say - what an unusual story! Very disturbing that the box has
gone missing as you said. Perhaps the person that "took" the box also
"took" your stamp and idea. If it was original (ie: from a sketch)
then I would reproduce that original sketch and/or design and send a
courtesy letter to the highest official head at HP and request via
that route.
It would be a pity to think that someone went to great lengths to
reproduce your stamp in this matter for several reasons:
1) they did not contact you and ask
2) they did not give you credit for your work
3) your box and stamp are also missing (as evidence)
Perhaps in future consider not making those images available through
any www avenue. It is unfortunate that you were not given due credit
for your art. Best of luck, Phyto